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Ter herinnering heb ik maar even mijzelf gequote.De partij zal nmm niet 1 zetel halen. Het is toch te gek voor woorden, dat mensen serieus over de oprichting van een dergelijke partij hebben nagedacht. Zijn zij zo vervreemd geraakt van hun omgeving?
Kinderen behoren immers beschermd te worden tegen elke actie die hen zou kunnen schaden schaden.
Mensen die hun pedofiele gevoelens onder controle kunnen houden zijn te prijzen, echter zullen zij dat levenslang kunnen volhouden? Zo ja, dan verdienen zij alle lof.
Zouden de oprichters van de partij zich hebben kunnen laten inspireren door invloeden van buiten af en daardoor zijn gaan denken, er moet toch over te praten zijn, het zou toch eigenlijk moeten kunnen?
Het volgende heb ik van http://french.fathfreedom.org/forum geplukt en zie ook
http://www.homa.org/Details.asp?ContentID=...OCID=2083225413
As for the prophet, peace and prayer of Allah be upon him, thighing his fiancée Aisha. She was six years of age and he could not have an intercourse with her due to her small age. That is why [the prophet] peace and prayer of Allah be upon him placed HIS [MALE] MEMBER BETWEEN HER THIGHS AND MASSAGED IT SOFTLY, as the apostle of Allah had control of his [male] member not like other believers.. (Source: http://www.sout-al-haqe.com/pal/musical/mofakhaza.ram)
The following link provides independent evidence that the above fatwah does indeed exist:
http://www.islamic-fatwa.net/viewtopic.php...hp?TopicID=8330
In the above link Islamic scholar Dr Ahmad Al-Hajj Al-Kurdi comments on the fatwah in question. He is responding to a person who is asking whether or not the fatwah actually exists, and whether or not Muhammad committed this action. In response he says that Muhammad most probably did this after he consummated the marriage at 9 rather than when she was 6. His point of contention therefore is concerning when Muhammad did this to the little girl, and not whether or not he did it.
We also read:
Fatwah 23672:
The inquirer asks: "My parents married me to a young girl who hasn't yet reached puberty. How can I enjoy her sexually?"
The imam answers him by saying: "Do not harm her if she cannot take intercourse but you may hug her, kiss her, and ejaculate between her legs" i.e. "thigh" her, as the fatwah in question indicates.
(Source: http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/Istisharat/Sh...waId&x=40&y=13)
The disgusting action which the fatwah describes is allowed to all other Sunni Muslims as can be seen by the following three fatwas:
http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/Istisharat/Sh...twaId&x=48&y=16
http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/Istisharat/Sh...twaId&x=54&y=11
http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/Istisharat/Sh...twaId&x=46&y=11
There is also a Shia reference condoning the practice. In Ayatu Allah Al Khumaini's book, "Tahrir Al wasila," p. 241, issue number 12, it says:
"It is not illegal for an adult male to 'thigh' or enjoy a young girl who is still in the age of weaning; meaning to place his male member between her thighs, and to kiss her."
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) used to kiss her and suck her tongue when he was fasting. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 13, Number 2380)
Aisha wasnt the only young girl Muhammad had eyes for:
(Suhayli, ii. 79: In the riwaya of Yunus I. I. recorded that the apostle saw her (Ummu'lFadl) when she was a baby crawling before him and said, 'If she grows up and I am still alive I will marry her.' But he died before she grew up and Sufyan b. al-Aswad b. 'Abdu'l-Asad al-Makhzumi married her and she bore him Rizq and Lubab (Ibn Ishaq, The Life of Muhammad: A Translation of Ishaq's Sirat Rasul Allah, translated by A. Guillaume [Oxford University Press, Karachi], p. 311)
Muhammad saw Um Habiba the daughter of Abbas while she was fatim (age of nursing) and he said, "If she grows up while I am still alive, I will marry her." (Musnad Ahmad, Number 25636)
Het zou zo hebben kunnen zijn, dat de oprichters eventueel zouden gedacht kunnen hebben, pedofilie is heden nog steeds geaccepteerd in de Islam, zowel binnen de Sunni als binnen de Shia, waarom zou het dan niet geaccepteerd kunnen worden binnen de westerse wereld? We doen de kleintjes toch geen kwaad?
Een volstrekt verkeerde gedachte nmm.
Als de oprichters zich er niet bewust of onbewust door hebben laten inspireren, dan zij dat zo, dat zou best kunnen, net zo goed als dat niet zou kunnen. Uiteraard zullen zij daar geen melding van maken, anders zijn de rapen gaar en daar zit niemand op te wachten. 'Zou hebben kunnen' is niet als stelling bedoeld. De oprichting van een politieke partij is inderdaad niet 1 2 3 gebeurd, de discussie is eveneens niet sinds enkele tellen aan de gang, dat is inderdaad geen vergelijking.
